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NPR and PBS will soon gone?

Started by outto, 16 June 2005, 11:37:50 am

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outto

I got this news from a friend who is a big fan of NPR (he donated some money also).  Looks like US gov is now looking to slash more fund:

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Subject: This time, it's for real: Save NPR and PBS
Hi,

You know that email petition that keeps circulating about how Congress is slashing funding for NPR and PBS? Well, now it's actually true. (Really. Check at the bottom if you don't believe me.)

Sign the petition telling Congress to save NPR and PBS:

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/

A House panel has voted to eliminate all public funding for NPR and PBS, starting with "Sesame Street," "Reading Rainbow," and other commercial-free children's shows. If approved, this would be the most severe cut in the history of public broadcasting, threatening to pull the plug on Big Bird, Cookie Monster, and Oscar the Grouch.

The cuts would slash 25% of the federal funding this year-$100 million-and end funding altogether within two years. The loss could kill beloved children's shows like "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur," and "Postcards from Buster." Rural stations and those serving low-income communities might not survive. Other stations would have to increase corporate sponsorships.

Already, 300,000 people have signed the petition. Can you help us reach 400,000 signatures today?

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/

Thanks!

P.S. Read the Washington Post report on the threat to NPR and PBS at:

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=745


Just recall somewhere that in our board has quite a number of NPR fans.

nattapong

I think in this board we have a big fan of both NPR and PBS. That ashame if it ever happen. Though I would find fewer reason to stay in US even if I can hardly find enough reason to now.   :)
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outto

I personally didn't listen much to NPR.  I think you can also listen to it online, isn't it?

QuoteThough I would find fewer reason to stay in US even if I can hardly find enough reason to now. :)

how about triathelon, biking, and live music?  Just kidding.  

The only reason I'm still here after most of my friends move away/back already because of making a living.  Well, after all, I'm just a salary-man :(  

Ah, can’t wait for next week so I can be home in Thailand again...

nattapong

Quotehow about triathelon, biking, and live music?  Just kidding.  

I found my new sport, bodybuilding.  :cool014:   and surprisingly I am now expose to more live music more than when I was in US.... just more money to spare. :)
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outto

So I guess you prefer to be buff then. :cool014:   Interesting, some of my friends also turn to bodybuilding after went back.  Must be a trend of something.

I will difinitely look like an ethiopian, will see how my folks take it  -_-

Speaking of live music in BKK, could you shed some light which one worth going these days :frangend009:

poj

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Quotehow about triathelon, biking, and live music?  Just kidding. 

I found my new sport, bodybuilding.  :cool014:   and surprisingly I am now expose to more live music more than when I was in US.... just more money to spare. :)

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lapath

17 June 2005, 03:04:50 pm #6 Last Edit: 17 June 2005, 03:05:25 pm by lapath
I did not listen to NPR at all when I was in the US as its TV get most of my time.  Anytime I went back, I slept really late, mostly watching TV over there.  I find it much more fun than in this part of the world.  And I don't have any reason to bash it.  Guess I don't stay in the US long enough to find a reason to bash the US TV but I found lots on TV in Thailand.  I find the TV in the US the most interesting vs. this part of the world, London and Paris, which seems to share the same pace and looks very close to each other as if they come out from the same school of so-slow-to-move-on TV.  It's from my very tiny experience though and it's very subjective from my side.

I only own a portable in the US so it's not that tempting for me to listen to radio, particularly on sound quality.

I'm a fan of PBS but definitely not big bird and sesame street though I feel they shouldn't kill it.  In a way, lots of popular program should survive as they have been accepting some advertising for so long so it shouldn't be that difficult to add some more for survival.  I'm worried about those cultures/art craft things though.

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Quotehow about triathelon, biking, and live music?  Just kidding. 

I found my new sport, bodybuilding.  :cool014:   and surprisingly I am now expose to more live music more than when I was in US.... just more money to spare. :)

I started going to gym after I came back from the US whenever I had time (which I didn't have that much).  The reason... Bad TV in Thailand.  It couldn't get my attention.  I flipped through all of them once.  Nothing interested me.  So I flipped through it the second round.  Guess what, I can follow all the content from my last round without any difficulty.  The pace of the TV was so sloooooooow it's bored me to death.  I initially hope Miss Universe's production taught Thai TV producers a thing or two about how to make TV look interesting and exciting.  However, I really doubt it will happen, judging from reading comments from those in the loops along the line of those were their (American) style, not ours...

I only find NPR more interesting lately over the internet.. Maybe my interest changes but I'm not looking forward to listen to the real thing when I'm in the US.  The program on NPR is nice but it's not local enough for me to appreciate what's going on in my familiar neck of the wood over there.  i would rather pace up with local things first and that's my preference.  Had I stayed longer and known more about local development, I will probably give a chance leaving NPR on all the time just for a trial.
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outto

I think it quite common that we attach to what is available locally.  NPR is somewhat interesting but I always find something else that take the big portion of my time away, for example, this webboard :) I followed American idol for past couple of years which quite strange because normally I don't watch that much TV.  It was more like keep myself up to date, what's going on.

My impression (from my tiny view of the world) is that, in general, people in Thailand are more trendy and up-to-date than US. We are closer to Europian fasion or asian like Japan and all.  Take an example, clothes, thai fasion much more stylish and cool. I have to update myself everytime I went to Thailand, cause I was so out-dated.

Any how, I feel sorry if NPR will fade away but I guess people have to move on (but if you like it, will have to try the best to keep it first). If that is the best for US gov, so be it.  I believe in adapt or die, so we will see how this one will turn out.
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Bad TV in Thailand. It couldn't get my attention. I flipped through all of them once. Nothing interested me. So I flipped through it the second round. Guess what, I can follow all the content from my last round without any difficulty.

I think so too, thai tv program is quite boring, I think you only need to watch the first episode, then just wait to the finale, you still can guess most of the story.  :lol:  

lapath

QuoteMy impression (from my tiny view of the world) is that, in general, people in Thailand are more trendy and up-to-date than US...
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Bad TV in Thailand. It couldn't get my attention. I flipped through all of them once. Nothing interested me. So I flipped through it the second round. Guess what, I can follow all the content from my last round without any difficulty.

I think so too, thai tv program is quite boring, I think you only need to watch the first episode, then just wait to the finale, you still can guess most of the story.  :lol:

Come to think about it, this may be what the market wants.  Look at the pace of CNN US version and internation version and you understand it why I don't watch CNN over here.  Some said CNN International is 'too american'.  For me, it's too 'internationalized' so that it becomes a watered down version of its famous opeation in the US.  The only thing left for the fame program is just the name without its soul.  Bloomberg TV used to be OK when it was in Japan.  Now, apart from the clip from the US, it began to fade away.  I think with a heavy hand from Europe.  Wall Street Journal outside of the US will be printed on the tabloid side paper, not the broad sheet type (think Thai Rath) that are familiar with all over the world.  Its research said this will attract more younger generation but the US version will still be the same...  So what does this tell about people outside US?

If I want to watch anything regional, I would opt for the local/regional broadcaster.  Why do I want to hear an overdub Australian accent/pace on the Discovery Channel over the program that was made in the US.  I would be happy watching crocodile dundee or whatever Australian from ABC Asia Pacific (the Australian operation, not ABC/Disney of the US).  BTW, I like to know who really watched ABC Asia Pacific except Australian and people in Australia.  All this, to me, is purely market force or the attempt to capture it.  I'm not the one to tell they succeed in the broad range but I could tell they lost me.  If I want to watch US channel, I want to hear US point of view, not others.  Otherwise, I watch regional channel.  That's why I resort to internet radio a lot these days, and, hopefully, a watchable version of US TV soon on the net.

In a way, it's like NPR and PBS that some accused them of being left winged, liberal and find no place for all those programs in their interest.  They fit like a glove on some and like the famous OJ Simpson's glove on others.

QuoteI believe in adapt or die, so we will see how this one (..NPR and PBS - lapath) will turn out.

I agree.
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Cherokee

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ผมว่ารายการเหล่านี้ยังน่าดูกว่าโทรทัศน์ในอเมริกาเสียอีก อย่างน้อยรายการทีวีในเมืองไทยก็ค่อนข้างระวังเรื่องศีลธรรมจรรยาที่ดีงาม ไม่เหมือนเมืองนอกซึ่งมักจะนำประเด็นเหล่านี้มาเล่น เช่นโกหกกันทางทีวี หรือขอแต่งงานทางทีวีแล้วดูว่าจะมีปฏิกิริยาอย่างไร เอาชายหญิงเป็นแฟนกันมาจับแยกกันอยู่ และให้อยู่กับเพศตรงข้าม ตอนจบให้ดูว่าแต่ละคู่ยังรักกันดีอยู่หรือไม่ อะไรทำนองนี้ ผมว่านั่นไร้สาระมากกว่าละครไทยเสียอีก  

Cherokee

ลืมพูดเรื่อง NPR ไปได้อย่างไร แฟนพันธุ์แท้อย่างผม  :)

ผมว่าน่าเสียดายนะถ้า NPR กับ PBS จะถูกยกเลิกไป แต่อย่างว่าแหละ นี่มันกลไกตลาด ตราบใดที่ยังอยู่ในโลกแห่งทุนนิยม  ผมเองก็ไม่ได้ติดตามฟังแล้วตั้งแต่กลับมา คงไม่ลุกขึ้นไปโวยวายอะไรหรอก เสียดายรายการดีๆ แต่ที่เสียดายมากกว่าคือช่วงของ NPR ที่เป็นของท้องถิ่นจัด มันเป็นทางเลือกให้กับผู้ฟังที่ไม่สนใจดนตรีแบบ mainstream ได้ดี

พูดแล้วก็นึกเสียดายรายการดีๆ ของไทยอย่าง Morning Post เช่นกัน

nattapong

QuoteSo I guess you prefer to be buff then. :cool014:   Interesting, some of my friends also turn to bodybuilding after went back.  Must be a trend of something.

I will difinitely look like an ethiopian, will see how my folks take it  -_-

Speaking of live music in BKK, could you shed some light which one worth going these days :frangend009:

I wouldn't say I prefer to bulk up. Just another sport for me. I do sport religiously all my life up to competitive level for every sport I played. So it is only natural that when I pick up this one. I work really hard with it. 1.5 hour a day almost every single day. Bought and read several books and website. Hang out with the best guy in the gym .. join their routine 3 months after I'm into the sport seriously.  10 months after.. I got what P'Poj has seen. Though now I shed out some weight because I felt hard to control fat level and 13% fat is not a good number for me. So now I'm 4 Kg lighter than what P'Poj see..  

For last question.. there are more .. but that was a starter.. check them out

http://www.thaiavclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3154
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outto

QuoteLook at the pace of CNN US version and internation version and you understand it why I don't watch CNN over here. Some said CNN International is 'too american'. For me, it's too 'internationalized' so that it becomes a watered down version of its famous operation in the US.

Personally, I stopped watching CNN awhile back, especially a few month right after the war.  I think it became some kind of propaganda.  Some shows still okay, but I can't take it anymore.  If I want to get summary of any news, I use Google news these days.

Come to think about Google, I have no doubt that they will be a very successful company.  Look what they have done, Picassa, Maps, Floogle, etc.  I don't think there is a day that I use Internet without Google.  I wish I have some Google stocks.

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ผมว่ารายการเหล่านี้ยังน่าดูกว่าโทรทัศน์ในอเมริกาเสียอีก อย่างน้อยรายการทีวีในเมืองไทยก็ค่อนข้างระวังเรื่องศีลธรรมจรรยาที่ดีงาม ไม่เหมือนเมืองนอกซึ่งมักจะนำประเด็นเหล่านี้มาเล่น เช่นโกหกกันทางทีวี หรือขอแต่งงานทางทีวีแล้วดูว่าจะมีปฏิกิริยาอย่างไร เอาชายหญิงเป็นแฟนกันมาจับแยกกันอยู่ และให้อยู่กับเพศตรงข้าม ตอนจบให้ดูว่าแต่ละคู่ยังรักกันดีอยู่หรือไม่ อะไรทำนองนี้ ผมว่านั่นไร้สาระมากกว่าละครไทยเสียอีก

My first bad impression about American tv was "Jerry Springer", I felt really sick after watched it.  I always wonder what kind of people like this kind of show.  May be I am too sensitive and live in my imagination world which I don't want to see that kind of drama.

About Thai tv programs, I'm glad to hear that ประชาชนมีทางเลือกเพิ่มขึ้น.  TV actually has very big influence for the new generation (I think Internet too), when I was a kid, I always play outside or spent time in library, ride my bike or something.  But I think kids this day just watch TV.  Scary, when thinking what would happen from what they will learn from bad TV programs.

Quote...So now I'm 4 Kg lighter than what P'Poj see..

For last question.. there are more .. but that was a starter.. check them out

http://www.thaiavclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3154

Sounds good krub and thanks for the link, I will check it out.  P' Cherokee also recommended some nice places to me too.  I will definitely check them out, I need to make use the best of my time because I have to be in many places and will only be in BKK about a week.  

p.s. the audio show also very tempting :)

lapath

Quoteไม่เหมือนเมืองนอกซึ่งมักจะนำประเด็นเหล่านี้มาเล่น เช่นโกหกกันทางทีวี หรือขอแต่งงานทางทีวีแล้วดูว่าจะมีปฏิกิริยาอย่างไร เอาชายหญิงเป็นแฟนกันมาจับแยกกันอยู่ และให้อยู่กับเพศตรงข้าม ตอนจบให้ดูว่าแต่ละคู่ยังรักกันดีอยู่หรือไม่ อะไรทำนองนี้ ผมว่านั่นไร้สาระมากกว่าละครไทยเสียอีก

BTW, this is not on PBS though, or is it? :D  
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outto

NPR and PBS survive!  :D
QuoteNPR, PBS get money restored

[size=8]By Shailagh Murray and Paul Farhi

The Washington Post [/size]


WASHINGTON - Unable to lower the budget ax on National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting Service, the House agreed by a wide margin Thursday to restore funds to public broadcasting, as lawmakers struggled to pass the most politically painful spending bill so far this year.

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source

great news for those who made such a effort to help NPR and PBS ^_^  

nattapong

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lapath

I think they hire one of republican as their new president or sth and recall I read somewhere it helps.
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